+0.42 German court sends VW execs to prison over Dieselgate scandal (www.politico.eu S:+0.51 )
798 points by Tomte 278 days ago | 316 comments on HN | Moderate positive Editorial · v3.7 · 2026-02-28 12:26:47
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This Politico article reports on a German court's conviction of four Volkswagen executives for fraud in the Dieselgate emissions scandal, emphasizing the legal system's enforcement of accountability through a four-year trial and prison sentences. The convictions and differentiated sentencing demonstrate functioning democratic legal institutions addressing corporate wrongdoing that endangered public health and the environment, reflecting UDHR commitments to due process, equality before law, fair trial, and the community's right to hold powerful actors accountable.
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HN Discussion 19 top-level · 26 replies
FirmwareBurner 2025-05-26 15:39 UTC link
I see this as an absolute win. Personal liability is the way to keep corporations accountable.

As long as breaking the law only results with a fine the company has to pay, then the issue is an accounting problem for the executives, but the moment they risk going to jail, then it becomes a legal problem for them so they actually address it.

hermitcrab 2025-05-26 15:39 UTC link
Good for Germany, but it is all too rare to see bad corporate behaviour punished like this. Steal £10k from a company, and you will probably go to prison for a long time. Start a company and steal billions from your customers and/or the tax payer, and you will probably get away with it. I believe Iceland was the only country to jail bankers after the 2008 banking disaster. We are still waiting for the British government to bring any individuals to account for wide scale corruption and profiteering during COVID.
Tomte 2025-05-26 15:48 UTC link
And one engineer went on vacation to America. Congratulations, you‘ve won seven years in a foreign prison!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_Schmidt_(engineer)

hollerith 2025-05-26 15:49 UTC link
The OP does not mention the name of one VW exec (Oliver Schmidt, the head of VW's environmental and engineering office in Michigan, a German citizen) convicted in US Federal Court in 2017 for his part in the scandal. He was released after serving about 3.5 years in prison.

A second exec sentenced in the US (also in 2017) was James Liang, also a German citizen, who prosecutors say "was a pivotal figure in designing the systems used to make Volkswagen diesels appear to comply with U.S. pollution standards, when instead they could emit up to 40 times the allowed levels of smog-forming compounds in normal driving." He cooperated with prosecutors and was released from prison in 2019.

I vaguely remember that the top execs were charged by US (Federal) prosecutors (in 2017) but the German government refused to extradict. Schmidt was arrested and tried only because he made the mistake of traveling to the US after the scandal came to light (although of course the German Court might have gotten around to trying him like they tried the execs in this current news story).

jacknews 2025-05-26 15:58 UTC link
What about major shareholders?

Presumably they were blissfully unaware, and were simply pleased when VW delivered more profits, as demanded.

sambeau 2025-05-26 16:12 UTC link
Can we so CrowdStrike next?
Mistletoe 2025-05-26 16:18 UTC link
We would see some world change finally if this became the norm. Breaking the law in a corporate suit shouldn't be any different than breaking the law as a soldier or citizen. Corporations have been doing war crimes on us for quite some time now.
_p2zi 2025-05-26 17:20 UTC link
Drunk_Engineer 2025-05-26 17:22 UTC link
The headline says "execs" but I don't see any Board members getting prison terms. Martin Winterkorn, the CEO, has basically escaped prosecution altogether.
throwaway81523 2025-05-26 17:39 UTC link
This article is better though nothing I've seen names the executives (different media law maybe).

https://www.dw.com/en/4-ex-vw-managers-guilty-of-fraud-over-...

"A former head of diesel engine development was sentenced to four and a half years in prison. The former head of drive electronics received two years and seven months in prison.

The highest-ranking defendant, a former member of the Volkswagen brand's development board, received one year and three months' probation. A former department head was sentenced to one year and ten months' probation."

Doesn't sound like it got near the C suite.

PaulKeeble 2025-05-26 17:44 UTC link
Two engineers that I know of got the following: James Liang got 40 months Schmidt was sentenced to 84 months

Then the executives Jens Hadler four and a half years in prison Hanno Jelden two years and seven months

Prosecutors are still investigating and trying to shake out more. This appears to be a wide conspiracy within VW.

saravanan2661 2025-05-26 17:45 UTC link
Where can one find these "defeat devices"? (asking for educational purposes)
godelski 2025-05-26 18:00 UTC link
This is good to see. Often we see the scandal unfold but hear very little about the followups. They're long, drawn out, and incredibly boring. But at the end, there's something very valuable.

Without these followups the public feel like they just get away, and in some cases they do. I'd argue that without seeing the punishment we are encouraging these crimes.

I'd much rather read this kind of news than whatever filler bullshit is on the front page of the news now.

B1FF_PSUVM 2025-05-26 18:12 UTC link
FINALLY!

It's the least they could do for the reputation of German engineering.

[ if (CAUGHT): toss an MBA on the barbie ]

WrongOnInternet 2025-05-26 18:16 UTC link
> The court sentenced two of the former executives to prison for several years...

Anyone here know German? I couldn't find a good translation for the number "several."

Animats 2025-05-26 18:21 UTC link
The head of Diesel engine development and the head of powertrain electronics are going to jail. Two CEOs and the chairman got off.
beefnugs 2025-05-27 03:40 UTC link
Still time to pay the dump tax, then open a real factory in the USA where you can cheat other countries' rules
blippage 2025-05-27 07:22 UTC link
Brit here. IANAL, but there is a legal principle of "vicarious liability". So if an employee does something bad, it's the employer that foots the bill. This is vicarious liability. It is actually a "good" thing as a legal principle because it's the the employer who has all the dough and is most able to compensate for a wrong.

The downside to all this is that the bad actors get away with it. They have less skin in the game.

My view is that more people need to go to jail. Corporations would behave less like sociopathic institutions if this were done.

animitronix 2025-05-28 04:09 UTC link
Well that only took a decade
mschuster91 2025-05-26 15:59 UTC link
It's the other way around, he was US-based and went for a vacation to Germany.
constantcrying 2025-05-26 16:03 UTC link
>Start a company and steal billions from your customers and/or the tax payer, and you will probably get away with it.

In this case not only were the managers personally held liable, the company itself also had to pay vast amounts of compensation to customers. Not only in Germany or the EU, but also to US customers.

transcriptase 2025-05-26 16:08 UTC link
And?
jillesvangurp 2025-05-26 16:09 UTC link
Deutsche Welle has a bit more detail and also discusses the CEO:

https://www.dw.com/en/4-ex-vw-managers-guilty-of-fraud-over-...

Apparently he has some health issues which caused the case against him to be suspended. That might resume later but unclear right now. He's 78 at this point.

SoftTalker 2025-05-26 16:15 UTC link
SBF is in prison, so it happens sometimes.
_DeadFred_ 2025-05-26 16:48 UTC link
Instead of fines the government should be granted an ownership percentage in companies that break that law (thus diluting ownership and directly impacting owners). That way the punishment impacts shareholders/owners, but in way that keeps corporate protections so that society can continue to function.
crop_rotation 2025-05-26 16:49 UTC link
While CrowdStrike was incompetent, this is remotely not the same thing as what VW did. What CrowdStrike did should be best punished by the market and in court by companies who were their customers.
ferguess_k 2025-05-26 16:53 UTC link
窃(Steal)钩(hook)者(people)诛(gets a death sentence)

窃(Steal)国(country)者(people)侯(gets to be the king)

amadeuspagel 2025-05-26 17:03 UTC link
This is the norm.
paulddraper 2025-05-26 17:05 UTC link
Sure, if they broke any laws.
xrd 2025-05-26 17:34 UTC link
Arrested in a men's bathroom, no less!
teruakohatu 2025-05-26 17:45 UTC link
It would be unlikely (not impossible) that board members would be briefed about ongoing criminal behaviour, and certainly not something so deep into operations as how the ECU is being programmed.

Can a board member be reasonably responsible for the actions of tens of thousands of employees if they have not explicitly enabled or condoned criminal behaviour?

The person that would benefit the most would be a senior executive who stands to gain a promotion, bonus or land an even better job elsewhere.

A former prime minister of my country was fined over $6 million for being on the board of a company what traded while insolvent. Not a prison sentence but a harsh penalty for someone that was not super rich (as far as I am aware).

bhelkey 2025-05-26 17:54 UTC link
The US indicted seven senior executives including Martin Winterkorn in 2017 [1]. None of these seven were extradited from Germany to the US to face trial.

[1] https://www.justice.gov/archives/opa/pr/former-ceo-volkswage...

triceratops 2025-05-26 17:56 UTC link
That's what the "limited" in "limited company" means. Blame the board members and executive management, sure. But it's hard to go beyond that.
k4rli 2025-05-26 17:58 UTC link
IIRC it was just the firmware in Bosch ECUs.
keeganpoppen 2025-05-26 18:18 UTC link
that wikipedia article is atrociously written holy cow. "pawn sacrifice"?!?
detaro 2025-05-26 18:22 UTC link
(I assume you ask about the exact numbers, not how to translate it?) The actual prison sentences are 4.5 years for the former head of diesel engine development, 2 years 7 months for the former head of engine electronics. Two more got sentenced on probation, a former (guessing at the translation here) Chief R&D Officer for 1 year 3 months, a (unspecified in the source I'm reading) department head 1 year 10 months.

Apparently 31 more people are targeted by further cases. (+ Winterkorn, but I wouldn't be surprised if he never makes it to trial given it's been aborted twice already due to health issues)

alanl 2025-05-26 19:20 UTC link
Ireland jailed a 3 or 4 bankers after the crash.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Drumm

It took 10 yrs to convict them mind you, and as I understand it they’re all out now.

DrNosferatu 2025-05-26 20:04 UTC link
#irony You mean it wasn’t the doing of the Southern European engineers at Volkswagen? #irony
constantcrying 2025-05-26 20:23 UTC link
>Doesn't sound like it got near the C suite.

Your quote shows that it was the CTO who got the suspended sentence and the trial for the CEO is pending. The head of the board was indicted as well, but not convicted.

constantcrying 2025-05-26 20:25 UTC link
>but I don't see any Board members getting prison terms.

The head of development, a board member, got a suspended sentence.

>Martin Winterkorn, the CEO, has basically escaped prosecution altogether.

How so?

constantcrying 2025-05-26 20:27 UTC link
The ECUs, the computer controlling the engine was programmed in a way in which it could detect the conditions of a test being run and alter it's behavior.
constantcrying 2025-05-26 20:30 UTC link
>Presumably they were blissfully unaware, and were simply pleased when VW delivered more profits, as demanded.

It is kind of ridiculous to believe that either the government of lower Saxony or the UAE or the Porsche Piech family were aware of this.

mcv 2025-05-26 20:34 UTC link
Most blatant case was when the HSBC bank was found guilty of laundering billions for Mexican drug cartels. Any person found guilty of that, would have gone to prison for years, but nobody at HSBC went to prison, and the bank was fined mere millions for the crime of laundering billions. I'm sure that taught them a lesson.

So I'm glad finally seeing some repercussions for corporate crime.

lblume 2025-05-26 21:17 UTC link
People still use the web without adblockers?
dragonwriter 2025-05-27 07:30 UTC link
> Brit here. IANAL, but there is a legal principle of "vicarious liability". So if an employee does something bad, it's the employer that foots the bill. This is vicarious liability.

More specifically (vicarious liability is correct, but less specific) it is respondear superior, the liability of the principal for harmful actions of the agent within the scope of the principal-agent relationship.

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