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-0.12 US orders diplomats to fight data sovereignty initiatives (www.reuters.com)
423 points by colinhb 9 hours ago | 367 comments on HN | Mild negative ND · v3.7 · 2026-02-26
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HN Discussion 20 top-level · 23 replies
forinti 2026-02-25 15:14 UTC link
How can you be so confrontational and still want people to give you business and data?

I really don't envy the diplomats' job at the moment.

Tyrubias 2026-02-25 15:19 UTC link
I can’t imagine how any country would think the US is trustworthy enough to be the place where everyone stores their data. If companies cannot comply with data sovereignty laws then they shouldn’t exist at all. Personally, even as a US citizen, I’m hoping tech companies in Europe and Asia become independent enough to no longer be beholden to US interests. It’s clear that the era where any one country has global hegemony should end.
cs702 2026-02-25 15:23 UTC link
Sigh. Anecdotally, more Europeans no longer want their governments to rely on software and data controlled by US companies, because they no longer trust the US to act as a reliable ally, defending the same values. Whether you agree or disagree with these concerns, they are valid for many Europeans.

In an ironic twist of fate, the US government's actions could end up causing long-term damage to US tech companies.

This is all based on anecdotal evidence, so I could be wrong, but I have to call it like I see it.

See also https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47149701

sega_sai 2026-02-25 15:26 UTC link
That is useful information to pursue data sovereignty even more.
orwin 2026-02-25 15:37 UTC link
We are pivoting out of a huge number of US services at my job. I think windows, Google, PaloAltoNetworks and Aws will be the last we leave, but infoblox is out next year (that's part of my job right now), and old Cisco hardware will stop being replaced by new Cisco hardware in 6 months.
flr03 2026-02-25 15:43 UTC link
If it's so cumbersome why don't US companies pull out the EU market? bet they make money anyway don't they
speedgoose 2026-02-25 15:53 UTC link
I bet it’s too late now. They will need very very persuasive arguments to kill all the initiatives, and while they may convince some governments and lobbying groups, I doubt they will manage to convince every IT responsible.
aitacobell 2026-02-25 16:06 UTC link
Could be a huge opening for Mistral and other European LLM providers who are okay at adhering to data sovereignty requirements
CrzyLngPwd 2026-02-25 16:23 UTC link
It increasingly feels like the US sees everyone as an enemy.

Is it just the government that feels this way, or do the general population of the US feel like everyone else on the planet is an enemy?

ahartmetz 2026-02-25 16:33 UTC link
Step 1: Piss away soft power built over the last century or so

Step 2: Ask for favors

Step 3: Profit?

bradley13 2026-02-25 16:46 UTC link
It's not even just data stored on US servers. According to the CLOUD Act, any data stored by a US company, regardless of location, can be demanded by any authority in the US.

No sovereign nation should use US companies for data storage or processing. Period.

The attempts to shift to open source or non-US services are inevitably hobbled by US companies lobbying (read: bribing) politicians.

bad_haircut72 2026-02-25 16:54 UTC link
The shame of all this is that now every country will have a worse, more expensive - but yes, soveriegn - solution, and the US makes less money through trade. Everyone loses, except people who want to hurt western economies.
gip 2026-02-25 16:59 UTC link
Similarly, in the 2000s, the US pushed back against the development of Galileo and preferred that Europe continue relying on GPS. That created tensions between the US and the EU.

Fighting data sovereignty is a losing battle for the US: data are too strategic to outsource, even to allies.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_(satellite_navigation)

siruncledrew 2026-02-25 18:38 UTC link
This is like putting your money in a bank ran by a cartel and expecting them not to steal it as soon as it benefits them.
everdrive 2026-02-25 20:13 UTC link
It's difficult to imagine the US diplomats themselves have any real levers to pull here. The bridges have already been quite burned, and any attempt at a carrot or a stick may just speed up countries' data sovereignty initiates.
aenis 2026-02-25 20:47 UTC link
And in related news, major European democracies are spending real money architecting sovereign cloud tech - planning on replacing not just the infra, but also the key parts of commonly used SaaS stacks. (How do I know? I got a job offer from one of those governments to help them architect that; exciting times).
bilekas 2026-02-25 21:54 UTC link
> the U.S. strongly supports cross-border data flows that promote growth and innovation while protecting privacy, safety, and free expression

Yeah that will be a hard no from me. They're not exactly known for their positive attitude towards privacy. And free speech seems to depend on who's aligned with the administration.

MerrimanInd 2026-02-25 21:57 UTC link
I hope that the EU becomes a real innovation center of decentralized tech initiatives. There are all these tech movements like local-first apps, atproto/activitypub, and self-hosting that could be absolutely supercharged by both the user and developer base of Europe flat out rejecting big tech cloud platforming.
bokohut 2026-02-25 22:20 UTC link
I ask the question: Is it human comprehendible data that has the value?

So would this issue still exist if the data was not human comprehendible yet a system still functioned 100% as needed?

The outlier technologists among us may read between my written lines with piquéd interest while the majority will likely just balk making claims based on lack of knowledge and awareness. For those looking to balk save your time in responding because analogously we no longer drive Ford Model Ts either and in time so too will system designs significantly change to answer the issues created by todays limited technology architectures.

Whether it be in the water you drink, the air you breath, or the technology platforms you rely on; What you cannot see matters most!

nozzlegear 2026-02-25 23:06 UTC link
> Experts say the move signals the Trump administration is reverting to a more confrontational approach [...]

Sheesh, what was the approach before this if not confrontational?

orwin 2026-02-25 15:31 UTC link
US 'diplomats' are campaigns big donors, or primary supports. I've eaten with someone who expected to be named diplomat in Europe because he supported Obama by 2007, but was one-uped by a richer donor post-primary.
2OEH8eoCRo0 2026-02-25 15:31 UTC link
I'm a US citizen and I hope more of the world decouples because I think a lot of our issues are due to a lack of competition.
llm_nerd 2026-02-25 15:34 UTC link
This administration really, truly lives under the delusion that they hold "all the cards". In every engagement they think it is for them to dictate and everyone else to follow. Any graciousness they show is just kind benevolence.

And the "diplomats" of this administration is a rogues gallery of Epstein associates (e.g. pedophile sex-trafficking garbage) and self-dealing criminals. Just a who's-who of garbage.

They are sending their absolute worst.

Americans are just blissfully unaware how much their country is being destroyed. It's staggering stuff. Even if you're a super conservative, there should be utter embarrassment and outrage about how incompetent and clownish this parade of imbeciles is.

munk-a 2026-02-25 15:45 UTC link
At the end of the day it isn't US tech companies that'd suffer (outside some minor short term pain) it's the US. If being in America is bad for business those companies (which already exist multi-nationally in most cases) will just pack up their US holdings.
Beretta_Vexee 2026-02-25 15:47 UTC link
The US ambassador to France has just had his access to parliamentarians and members of the government withdrawn because he is trying to turn a neo-Nazi who died in a fight into a political martyr. There are similar situations in Belgium and Poland.

American diplomats have been doing Trump's dirty work for a some time.

I am more concerned about US interference in elections and campaigning for the far right than lobbying for data at the moment.

DrScientist 2026-02-25 15:47 UTC link
Depends how much compromising information they already have access to on the politicians concerned :-)

Please don't stop us having access to your information, else we will destroy you with the information we already hold :-)

Bender 2026-02-25 16:04 UTC link
I do not trust anyone with my data. This is just my preference but every year I move further and further away from using the internet for anything other than making comments on this site and watching a few vloggers. In a few years I will not have more than 3 to 5 logins on anything and those will be value add and must be within driving distance. All critical services I use will require walking into a building in person.

If I could find a reputable construction company to build my underground home I would be a true troglodyte.

strnisa 2026-02-25 16:15 UTC link
It seems to me that major US cloud companies are using politics to try to get more value from non-US data, which I believe will push the EU (and others) to accelerate the move to their own alternatives. This is another move that seems to sacrifice longer-term trust (and profits) to boost near-term profits.
ThrowawayTestr 2026-02-25 16:26 UTC link
The general population doesn't even think about the rest of the world.
unethical_ban 2026-02-25 16:30 UTC link
Palo is starting to require telemetry that sends realtime data on rulebase and hitcount from every firewall to increase support effectiveness.
shimman 2026-02-25 16:48 UTC link
You should look up the word "imperialism" because it's something countries like to do to extract as much wealth as possible to benefit a few people.
pjc50 2026-02-25 16:53 UTC link
There's a substantial population of most countries who feel that everyone else on the planet is somehow inferior. Basic nationalism. One of the big achievements of the 20th century was reducing that so it might be below 50% in many places.

However, that's not the same as "enemy". That's a more confrontational level. It's that particular branch of the far right which has recently risen to prominence. Ironically, in a lot of different countries.

ykurtov 2026-02-25 16:54 UTC link
Are you replacing Cisco with Ericsson?
danny_codes 2026-02-25 17:29 UTC link
Or maybe a better product that’s cheaper. Let’s not let hubris get the best of us. There’s nothing special about the US. I mean imagine being an Oracle customer and switching to a local supplier. Must be like emerging from a nightmare
kazen44 2026-02-25 17:34 UTC link
also, just like galileo, this seem to be the correct path for europe to take.
JamesLeonis 2026-02-25 18:47 UTC link
Ignorance is a Weapon.

Much of the US media is captured, so virtually nothing is fed back to us Americans. This also builds on top of US gunboat diplomacy going all the way back to the Monroe Doctrine. Keeping Americans ignorant allows our government and corporations a free hand in foreign affairs. The limited information allowed through is heavily sanitized and depicts US actions as the Good Guys attacked by the Evil X, which is why so many of our wars start with a ship "under attack" (USS Maine, RMS Lusitania, Gulf of Tonkin incident), or supposed WMDs (Iran, Iraq)

A great example is the Japanese bombing of Pearl Harbor. Ask any American and they can call up all kinds of minute details about the attack. However if you ask them about the US trade embargoes and blockades against Japan in the months leading up to the attack, the vast majority of Americans will draw a blank. That is on purpose.

When stuff does break through to us, raw and unfiltered, most will react with horror. The self image of Americans as the Good Guys cracks. This happened in the Viet-Nam conflict when journalists had a free hand to show what was happening. Massive protests and a near mutiny by the US Army caused the Pentagon to get far more involved in how wars are presented in future conflicts. More recently Americans were so horrified when they witnessed the Israeli genocide after October 7th that it completely inverted both public sentiment and support for Israel, causing the forced sale of TikTok to Oracle and under US control to clamp down on the coverage.

a456463 2026-02-25 19:25 UTC link
The republican population and the foolish minded people who want to be centrists have led to this situation of democrats and republican politicians acting out this way. More than 50% hopefully don't feel that way. I don't
WhyNotHugo 2026-02-25 21:22 UTC link
I can’t imagine such a thing either, but here in Europe plenty of organisations continue planning on increasing their reliance and lock-in on American tech corps.
rurp 2026-02-25 21:35 UTC link
I think it's more likely we end up with a better software ecosystem. There will be plenty of companies for the foreseeable future willing to buy from either continent if one offering is substantially better. More competition will be better, as long as the US govt doesn't succeed in stifling it.

Microsoft for example has had a de facto monopoly in many areas for quite some time and I doubt many would argue that their software quality has flourished in recent years.

tick_tock_tick 2026-02-25 21:53 UTC link
> No sovereign nation should use US companies for data storage or processing. Period.

So what is Europe supposed to do just stop pretending to be sovereign?

erentz 2026-02-25 22:30 UTC link
At this stage tech companies should be pushing for very strong legislation that makes the US a bastion of data privacy to restore trust. But they are still pushing in the other direction.
globalnode 2026-02-25 22:53 UTC link
> Fighting data sovereignty is a losing battle for the US: data are too strategic to outsource, even to allies.

Essentially it comes to this. The only way to force the issue is to make confrontational demands that will just lead to a hard split.

socalgal2 2026-02-25 22:57 UTC link
I guess all the criminals in the US are really hoping the EU gets it's way. Then they can put all their data in EU servers and not worry US authorities can look at it even with a valid warrant and a court order.

Seems like conflicting problems.

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