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+0.37 Launch HN: Vassar Robotics (YC X25) – $219 robot arm that learns new skills
580 points by charleszyong 261 days ago | 219 comments on HN | Neutral Product · v3.7 ·
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HN Discussion 20 top-level · 24 replies
GordonS 2025-06-10 19:28 UTC link
Wow! Recently my son has been asking about doing a project with a robotic arm, and this looks amazing, especially at the hobbyist-friendly price point. And adding in AI is really cool - and just the thing to really grab the attention of an eight year old boy :) Will these be available in the UK, perchance?

A bit of an aside, but how hard is it to get into building RC aeroplanes, compared to FPV copter drones?

laidoffamazon 2025-06-10 19:29 UTC link
Alright, watching the video - I'm sold, even at a sped up rate. How do I buy? I'll do in-town pickup if that's faster!
martythemaniak 2025-06-10 19:32 UTC link
Neat! Does this work with open source models like pi0 and OpenVLA? How does the inference-time teaching you outline work exactly?
iamflimflam1 2025-06-10 19:51 UTC link
Interesting - I was just thinking the other day that a well implemented MCP server driving a robot with access to a camera could be a really interesting project.
Nevermark 2025-06-10 19:54 UTC link
I love the arm/typewriter "printer"!

It's not exactly on topic (other than fun ideas, begetting fun ideas), but a USB-C/WiFi driven typewriter would be a hoot.

EDIT: Found [0]

And for the reverse ... boom! (click! clack!) [1]

[0] https://www.nutsvolts.com/magazine/article/turn-a-typewriter...

[1] https://www.usbtypewriter.com

yardie 2025-06-10 20:00 UTC link
Of course this arrives right after I order all the electronic parts and just kicked off the 24+ hour 3D print job to complete my SO-Arm101.

But I’m routing for you!

loxias 2025-06-10 20:03 UTC link
Firstly, at the $219 price point you can have my money already.

Beyond that, things that appeal to me are basically anything which increase the likelihood I can accomplish high dexterous fine motor control skills, for things like tinkering and DIY assembly. I think that would include extra wrist DOF and a longer-reach variant.

Integrated cameras are an interesting idea, but I'd like to be able to swap them out for my own.

My dream is to have some sort of multi-arm table at home. I imagine holding a circuit board, small component, soldering iron, and wire with four robotic arms I control with shaky hands from my laptop. :D

GlenTheMachine 2025-06-10 20:41 UTC link
You need some technical specs on the website. How many DOF does it have? Does it have joint angle sensing? If so, what's the resolution? What's the interface to the servos? What's the payload capacity? Does it have integrated motor controllers? How long is it, and what does the dexterous workspace look like?

As a roboticist, what I'd vote for, in order, is:

- more degrees of freedom

- interchangeable tools, either an actual tool changer (unlikely at the price point) or a fixed bolt pattern with electronic passthroughs

- better joint sensing, e.g. absolute encoders, joint torque sensing

- fingertip force sensing

rfwhyte 2025-06-10 20:46 UTC link
As someone who's long dreamed of owning a robotic camera control arm, but who doesn't have a spare $50K kicking around to buy one, I've been following the development of these kinds of projects with great interest. While this particular arm doesn't look like it would have enough payload capacity or smooth enough motion for the use cases I have in mind, the fact its a couple hundred bucks means something that does what I need it to do for an actually affordable price isn't likely too far off.
aesch 2025-06-10 20:50 UTC link
While I don't think this will ship in time. There is a global online hackathon using these robot arms on Hugging Face June 2025, 14-15. https://huggingface.co/LeRobot-worldwide-hackathon
guywithahat 2025-06-10 21:07 UTC link
You should put it on Amazon; we used a robotic arm in one of the classes I taught, and for logistics reasons it was basically the only way we could order stuff. Plus it helps with discovery.

I'm sure there's an extra fee but it's sometimes just impossible to order things if you're a big organization from small sites like this.

pbrb 2025-06-10 21:36 UTC link
Ordered. This is so cool. I also started looking at LeKiwi... I think I'm going to have to figure out how to make this thing mobile.
polishdude20 2025-06-10 21:38 UTC link
Can you explain more how this is possible? For a layman like me, what is happening when you tell the robot to do something and how does it know it's going to the right place?
bredren 2025-06-10 21:40 UTC link
I'm down to buy the kit and build but need some idea for how long it takes. Like, I was able to detail finish and assemble a 3D violin but could not make the time and space to assemble a full 3D printer and had to sell it.

Would you please provide more info on what's involved for the kit? Ranges are okay.

quadrature 2025-06-10 21:43 UTC link
I'm curious about how the perception works, how do you find correspondences between the arm camera and the stationary camera ?
dimitry12 2025-06-10 22:25 UTC link
Do I understand correctly that chess-moving demo decomposes into:

- you recorded precise arm-movement using leader-arm - for each combination of source- and target- receptacles/board-positions (looking at the shim visible in the video, which I assume ensures the exact relative position of the arm and chess-board);

- the recorded trajectories are then exposed as MCP-based functions?

Bought the kit. Thank you for the great price! Are table-clamps included?

charleszyong 2025-06-11 05:17 UTC link
Sorry for being MIA for a bit. All 120 units are now sold out. I’ve created a waitlist at https://vassarrobotics.com/newsletter to keep you updated on when the next batch will be available (most likely in late July).

Thank you so much for everyone’s support. My top priority now is to get all the orders shipped on time and with high quality.

sabareesh 2025-06-11 16:31 UTC link
Where can i find the specs. I am actively working on some project with robot arm and found following appealing eventhough this doesnt include servo or cameras or controllers. https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256808789646447.html?spm=a2g...
davidweatherall 2025-06-11 20:34 UTC link
Hey Charles, annoyed I missed out on the first batch, signed up to the newsletter looking forward to the next one!

I thought your product page could use a slightly nicer UI. - I'm building an app that let's people spin up multiple variations of their pages and easily implement new UIs. - I like to put HN websites through it whilst I'm training it up to see if I can improve them.

here's what my app came up with for your site: https://streamable.com/vbby9q

If you want the html + css, it's here free of charge, I've split each one up with a ## Variation 1/2.. etc.. just let me know what you think - https://pastebin.com/WGNieVmq

softservo 2025-06-11 23:52 UTC link
Love this !! I have been searching for a homegrown store selling the so101 and other open source robots. Took me 6 weeks to get my unassembled kit for ~$250 from wowrobo (and it got stuck in inspections at the border). Would be cool to connect to learn more about your plans and offer some suggestions for improvements based on my experience so far.
charleszyong 2025-06-10 19:43 UTC link
The software stack is built around LeRobot. So anything you can run with LeRobot should be able to run with our software. Will do more testing before the official release. Personally, I feel GR00T N1 or ACT is much easier to train and do a fairly good job
timmg 2025-06-10 19:53 UTC link
And now I am too!
bittercynic 2025-06-10 19:58 UTC link
Planes, like quadcopters, are as complicated or simple as you want them to be. They're available fully ready to fly, as kits with different levels of work needed, or you can build from scratch and choose your own parts and design.

Flying is pretty different, though. If you're used to a copter that will just stay put when you release the controls, flying planes will be an adjustment.

charleszyong 2025-06-10 20:02 UTC link
RC aeroplanes need some practice and a bigger field compared to FPV drones. I think I spent a week flying in simulators and another 2 weeks crashing several times to get a basic hold on it. It's kind of like training a robot foundation model to learn a new embodiment

That being said, I enjoyed every moment flying my planes. I built and flew quite a few quadcopters but they never felt that free because there's always that control algorithm between the pilot and the motors, while aeroplanes are basically just mapping the movement of the joystick to the servos. I believe the UK has a lot of great local clubs, and I believe that's the best place to get started.

Side note, when your son gets more experience in the field, he might wanna build his own gas turbine to power his planes. And this association based in UK is the best on this planet: https://www.gtba.co.uk

For UK delivery, let me look into how to set up international shipping. Will get back to you by end of the day.

charleszyong 2025-06-10 20:39 UTC link
So true. Every time I solder surface mount components, I always wish I could have a steady hand. Sadly, this arm doesn't have that kind of accuracy. The output shaft of the servos we use has about 1 degree of wiggle room and the mechanical structure adds more.

To get better accuracy, if sticking with this kind of RC servo, it's basically required to have two servos per joint to preload each other to kill that wiggle room. It's something I've been calculating, but I just can't figure out a way to offer it at a good price.

Interestingly, for arms that are popular in academia, even when the price goes to $10k (like ARX or Trossen), the wiggle room is still there (better, but still there).

charleszyong 2025-06-10 20:53 UTC link
Thank you! Let me know how you like the SO-101 design. If you have complaints, I might be able to find a way to fix it ;)
bri3d 2025-06-10 21:12 UTC link
Building RC planes is a little harder IMO, but not much.

The main difference in building planes is you have to pay attention to center-of-gravity much more; minute differences will make the difference between your plane flying amazingly, like a brick (nose heavy), or not at all (tail heavy). There's also more work to do in setting control linkages and surface throws. But, overall, it's not too tough with most models.

Takeoff with planes can be very stressful the first few times; you have to choose between ground/runway takeoff, which typically results in a very inefficient model due to landing gear drag and is prone to flipping over, throwing the plane by hand, which requires practice and can be quite hazardous with a "pusher" style plane with the prop at the back, and building some kind of bungee launcher, which you then have to set up and lug around.

Then you have to decide how to fly - line of sight or FPV. Line of sight flying is quite an acquired skill and has a very steep learning curve - you basically have to learn to "become the plane" and understand how your control stick inputs are affecting the attitude of the plane without being able to see it very well.

FPV plane flying, while less popular than LOS, is very easy and much more rewarding IMO. The reaction time in all but the most extreme plane stunt flying is much less dramatic than in FPV quads.

And, due to quirks of the general hobby flight control software scene, most hobby FPV planes have a working loiter-in-a-circle setting while most FPV quads have a barely-functional GPS rescue mode and little to no ability to actually hover (it's very rare for an FPV quad to "just stay put"; this is the realm of camera drones).

I fly FPV quads when I need a focus/adrenalin boost and FPV planes when I just want to relax and chill. You can fly planes in an adrenalin style, but they're much more conducive to just looking at the scenery and goofing around. Massive bonus points that most plane builds are almost silent compared to an FPV quad so you don't worry about bothering people so much.

bathMarm0t 2025-06-10 21:32 UTC link
If the goal is the building. Balsa kits (an xacto knife, 2 bottles of super glue [thick/thin], CA-accelorator) are the way to go. Discuss gliders are easy to manage the risk of learning how to fly, and are light, so crashes will only be mildly catastrophic. I have this one, and it was easy-ish to build (~20 hours?)

http://wrightbrothersrc.com/products/gambler.htm

If the goal is the flying. You can't go wrong with an easy star. I've crashed mine a million times. You just patch it back together humpty dumpty style with thick CA + accelerant. Bonus points for the prop being in the back, so if you run into stuff you (probably) won't draw blood.

https://mrmpxhobbies.com/product/rr-easystar-3/

Note that the hobby does require some skill w/ flying and need some level of risk management. There are cords that let you plug your transmitter into a computer/fly over a simulation that can help with the former.

icedrift 2025-06-10 21:40 UTC link
Literally same. Just finished printing the leader arm and not I have another 20 hour print for the follower.
charleszyong 2025-06-10 21:42 UTC link
Thank you for the suggestions. I hear you. When I was at college, the school system basically only allowed Amazon plus a few industry-specific suppliers. Please allow me to prioritize manufacturing and testing so that I can ship the product as soon as possible and with the highest quality possible. Then I will start expanding sales.

Also, the servos we are using actually have a version that has lower torque/force output, which would be safer for students but also limit what they can do with it. Would you be interested in the "safer" version for classes?

charleszyong 2025-06-10 21:50 UTC link
Man, I gotta say that I tried really hard to see if I could ship before that, but I failed ;( Chasing suppliers is pretty much like dating: sometimes no matter how hard you try, you just can't make it happen.
charleszyong 2025-06-10 22:08 UTC link
Great question. I would say that the first time I assembled a SO-101, it took me about 3 hours to assemble and calibrate everything.

This product is largely based on the SO-101. With all the improved designs, let's say it would still take 2 to 4 hours, depending on your experience.

dimitry12 2025-06-10 22:43 UTC link
SO-ARM101 has a leader-arm, which is the arm with same exact dimensions and same servos - but used to read/record the trajectory. You move it with your own hand and teleoperate the follower-arm in real-time. Follower-arm is visible in the demo videos.

If you fully control the environment: exact positions of arm-base and all objects which it interacts with - you can just replay the trajectory on the follower-arm. No ML necessary.

You can use LLM to decide which trajectories to replay and in which order based on long-horizon instruction.

michaelt 2025-06-10 23:16 UTC link
> You need some technical specs on the website. How many DOF does it have? Does it have joint angle sensing? If so, what's the resolution? What's the interface to the servos? What's the payload capacity? Does it have integrated motor controllers? How long is it, and what does the dexterous workspace look like?

The post says "kit that keeps LeRobot SO-101’s kinematics" so it's probably very similar to [1] namely 5DOF and a gripper, using STS3215 servos [2]

> As a roboticist, what I'd vote for, in order, is:

As they are making a robot at the $219 price point, I very much doubt they have the money to add anything to the design.

[1] https://huggingface.co/docs/lerobot/so101 [2] https://uk.robotshop.com/products/magnetic-encoding-servo-st...

numpad0 2025-06-10 23:25 UTC link
It's just bunch of motors on a stick. Doesn't come with a computer at all. But that's still worth >$200, as 1) building an arm that works is a project of its own, and 2) hardware standardization is crucial for code reusability.
charleszyong 2025-06-10 23:38 UTC link
Thank you for the feedback! Thinking out loud: • Adding one DOF to match ARX kinematics is doable, with a price increase of $30–40.

• A tool changer is a great suggestion. A few of my friends are working on kinematic couplings, which would be ideal for this. I’ll need to give some thought to how to pass electrical signals and power to the tool, while also keeping it lightweight.

• Could you share what functionality you want in terms of encoders? The ST3215 uses 12-bit magnetic encoders, which can retain position after power loss. Are you looking for higher resolution? For torque sensing, if the order volume is large, I can add this for just a $20-30 price increase.

• Finger tip force sensing: Is this for applications like picking up an egg?

charleszyong 2025-06-10 23:59 UTC link
I’ve just set up shipping service to the UK. You should be able to place an order now. Let me know if you have any questions!
throwawaybbq1 2025-06-11 11:19 UTC link
Curious where you sourced the parts? In Canada, shipping kills it for me. When I priced out the robot + electronics + $100 in shipping, I am around $700 - far cry from the $100 on the "sticker".
m3at 2025-06-11 11:40 UTC link
dtnewman 2025-06-11 12:31 UTC link
Looks like you might've found that magical thing which is product-market fit. I'm rooting for you.

$200 is a really nice entry-price point. If I'm being honest, I'm marginally interested in this, but doubt that I'd actually use it too much. But the price point is justifiable for someone who is just interested in it from a learning point of view (if I bought this, used it a few times and learned a bit more about AI as it relates to robotics, it'd have paid itself off easily).

Rooting for you to succeed.

clw8 2025-06-11 15:43 UTC link
Are there any affordable robot kits you recommend for learning control, CV, RL etc.? I was budgeting for the SO-101 so I think I'll get OP's device and then something that's not an arm for variety.
charleszyong 2025-06-11 17:53 UTC link
Interesting. Their servos seem to be PWM servos, which are available at a very good price. I would look into how to hook up all the servos—you’ll probably need an MCU to convert USB to PWM for each servo.
bredren 2025-06-11 20:44 UTC link
I looked at your video of alternatives and number 5 looked pretty good to me. Though, a better image of the product itself seems like the lowest hanging fruit for improving the landing. :)

For stuff like this, it would be cool if you had a hosted demo of what you clicked through in the video.

bertm 2025-06-12 20:25 UTC link
I had that same thought. I travel a bunch for work and would love to be able to wire up a RPi/Arduino remotely to a sensor or other device and run a test or two.
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2026-02-26 19:09 rate_limit OpenRouter rate limited (429) model=llama-3.3-70b - -
2026-02-26 19:08 rate_limit OpenRouter rate limited (429) model=llama-3.3-70b - -
2026-02-26 19:07 rate_limit OpenRouter rate limited (429) model=llama-3.3-70b - -
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build 3e57f54+egy5 · deployed 2026-02-26 22:02 UTC · evaluated 2026-02-26 22:10:52 UTC