https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/wiki/uBlock-Origin-works-b...

Sadly they chose not.

I really have no clue, but as far as I can see the answer is never better. More centralized, more bloated, more invasive, less choice, and less freedom.

Just three days ago, Mozilla reiterated [1] that Firefox would continue to support Manifest V2 alongside Manifest V3. So if you want a better web experience with uBlock Origin, Firefox is your only choice (or use Firefox forks that support it). While you're at it, note that "uBlock Origin works best on Firefox". [2]

[1]: https://blog.mozilla.org/en/products/firefox/firefox-manifes...

[2]: https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/wiki/uBlock-Origin-works-b...

I switched to Edge on my Windows machine for a while, because that meant that I didn’t need the disk space for an additional browser (same as when just using Safari on Mac) and it was reasonably pleasant and worked well. Guess that’s ending, I liked the DevTools in Firefox a bit more anyways.

For iDevices relying on Orion Browser paired with Ublock Origin and NextDNS set up. As good as Safari but without the annoyances of Plugins. Their compatablity mode seems to work on sites where Safari seems to have issues.

Ungoggled Chromium for sites that seem to break on both Firefox and Orion, unfortunately there are loads out there. It's a shame that Firefox isn't as effecient with Battery Consumption as Orion is.

Brave/Edge just never cut it for me.

Every time this conversation comes up here and elsewhere, you get a huge swath of comments decrying Mozilla or suggesting Brave instead, which is Chrome in a trenchcoat last I checked. I've used all sorts of browsers over the years, and I keep returning to Firefox, at this point being able to configure it for good level of privacy in less than a minute with each install on a new machine.

My experience is perhaps skewed, but I view Google and Microsoft as modern enemies of the Web I want to see happen, perhaps having started off the hero, but living long enough to see themselves become the villain. Their products seem actively and aggressively hostile to users and compliant with websites that demand we use them for "best experience" which, by now we should all know means harvesting our data.

Again, I have some ignorance here that needs to be rectified, but where are the true apples to apples comparisons of all browsers so that users can use to evaluate which is best? I don't mean just surface level features and marketing woo, but what's happening at the code level that allows the developer or websites we visit to treat us like data thralls. Where are the resources to learn about that in these discussions?

I've used Firefox on android for a while as android chrome hasn't had adblocking for a long time.

Am pretty anti-google these days but it'll take some time to untangle myself from the ecosystem.

Anyway, I've largely moved back to Firefox on the desktop too, swapped a few icons about so my muscle memory now opens Firefox instead of Chrome and it's been totally painless. An easy win.

Together with the recent FF news, this is terrible news for the open, user-controlled web.

[1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43203096

Shame that Microsoft just chose to no longer have a real browser. Oh well, long live MSIE I guess.

[1]: https://chromewebstore.google.com/detail/ublock-origin-lite/...

I think this is heading to a point where lot of power users are simply not updating their browsers any more.

Personally I'll take the miniscule chance of being infected with malware due to a security bug on an older version of Firefox over the inability to run uBlock Origin any day. I can recover from malware installation. I can not use the web without an ad blocker.

What I'll probably do is use an isolated sandbox environment for any web browsing I need absolute security (e.g. online banking/shopping).

Check it out here: https://nextdns.io/

[0] https://github.com/adguardteam

I wonder how long they’ll maintain manifest v2 compatibility. Once they throw in the towel, Firefox will truly be the last stand.

It's funny how Chrome became practically my new Internet Explorer.

I've always held AOL fondly. You paid per month, and get access to a giant ecosystem including forums, chat, email, news, zines, games, etc. Mostly ad free as I remember.

In fact, when NetZero became a thing, people mostly weren't interested. They were turned off by the stupid permanent ad bar, and the lack of community.

I wish something like AOL would come back around. Charge me $20 a month, give me a community, email, etc. Don't dare show me an ad.

We're just now getting back to pay for no ads, but its 5 dollars here or there for disparate services.

Man, AOL was ahead of its time. All it needs today that it didn't have was the 'wall', 'profile', whatever. And of course vid/pic sharing.

I remember when moving off AOL to broadband, my family hated it despite the speed. They thought it was clunky and stupid to have to download separate programs or visit different websites to do one thing at a time, in what was in AOL an integration.

FB is probably closest to that experience today, but of course is ad and data driven, and somehow still doesn't feel very community like.

I'd love to see a new, electron based AOL type service come about today. It'd cost a crapton to get the network and content up to attract any user base, else I'd try it myself.

Although I wish more browsers made it easier to selectively enable it per site, like Orion.

Another browser option is Brave, but you have to disable the altcoins stuff :/

Edge has all the user-hostile stuff much more in your face. Like the shopping bar that keeps popping up with coupons or tries to get you to buy at a shop that pays more for advertising. And it tries to trick the user into getting bogged down with loans by offering buy now pay later schemes.

All the sneaky tracking stuff from chrome also happens. So why would you bother?

The only reason it's still popular is that companies love it because they can lock it down in full BOFH mode. At my work I can't even choose to reopen the last tabs anymore on launch. That and pretty much every other setting is "managed by your organisation"

Orion is a WebKit web browser from the folks at Kagi that supports both Firefox and Chromium extensions (including on iPhones and iPads) and has zero telemetry, and I have the Firefox version of uBlock Origin installed.

Firefox is not the only option for people that want alternatives to Chrome that support uBlock Origin.

The reality is that no business likes ad-blockers so why go through that trouble only to get less money?

Chromium devtools has more features but more cluttered and more annoying to work with.For the common devtools tasks Firefox works better IMHO. But that can be my bias after using Firefox/Firebug devtools for over 15 years.

As in, suppose your daily browsing generates about $3 of monthly ad revenue [0]. Instead, you have a (digital) wallet linked to your browser, which could be pre-loaded with credit each month. For each website you visit you may decide to opt-out of ads by paying a fraction of your credits.

You could even have a system where you could pay for a model with light-ads (i.e. at most 1 ad per page, 10 seconds of ads per 30min of video), or pay more for zero ads.

I understand it's a difficult system to organize and is dependent on a strong network. But I'd expect there to be a solid small market by now.

Lots of individual websites have this option (e.g. Netflix, newspapers, Spotify, Youtube Premium) but there's nothing overarching.

[0] https://thenextweb.com/news/heres-how-much-money-you-made-go...

The next step is start paying for Kagi...

https://ghuntley.com/fracture/

I'm a fan of Brave and Arc. The LadyBird announcement is great.

Is that even a consideration nowadays? That's wild!

https://www.osnews.com/story/141825/mozilla-deletes-promise-...

I have more issues with Mozilla management and more reasons to do so than almost anyone on HN, and yet I still use Firefox as my predominant browser, as I have done so since 2003. I worked at Mozilla and then quit over some of my concerns, yet at the same time it's blatantly obvious that Firefox very much empowers you as a user to configure anything you like in `about:config` regardless of what the default settings may be.

I predict this will only get worse as the iPad Kids in Gen-Z and Gen-Alpha come of age and accept the soulless shitheap that is modern corporate software without question. You're on the right path, all you can do is make your own individual choice and continue pointing out the sheer laziness and hypocrisy of those who complain but do nothing about it, including in their own lives.

> Injecting content scripts in a non-declarative way is unreliable in MV3 due to fact that extensions are really service workers which can be suspended at any time.

[1]: https://github.com/uBlockOrigin/uBOL-home/wiki/Frequently-as...

[2]: https://github.com/uBlockOrigin/uBOL-home/wiki/Frequently-as...